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Poster: gallese antico Date: Nov 30, 2009 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stagger Lee: The True Story

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"Stagger Lee"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission.
http://www.archive.org/details/Mississippi_John_Hurt-Stack_O_Lee

1940 Xmas evening with a full moon over town
Staggerlee met Billy DeLyon
and he blew that poor boy down
Do you know what he shot him for?
What do you make of that?
'Cause Billy DeLyon threw lucky dice,
won Staggelee's Stetson hat

Baio, Baio, tell me how can this be?
You arrest the girls for turning tricks
but you're scared of Staggerlee
Staggerlee is a madman and he shot my Billy dead
Baio you go get him or give the job to me

Delia DeLyon, dear sweet Delia-D
How the hell can I arrest him when he's twice as big as me?
Don't ask me to go downtown - I wouldn't come back alive
Not only is that mother big but he packs a .45

Baio Delia said just give me a gun
He shot my Billy dead now I'm gonna see him hung
She waded to DeLyon's Club through Billy DeLyon's blood
Stepped up to Staggerlee at the bar
Said Buy me a gin fizz, love

As Staggerlee lit a cigarette she shot him in the balls
Blew the smoke off her revolver, had him dragged to city hall
Baio, Baio, see you hang him high
He shot my Billy dead and now he's got to die

Delia went a walking down on Singapore Street
A three-piece band on the corner played "Nearer, My God, to Thee"
but Delia whistled a different tune...what tune could it be?

The song that woman sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that Delia sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that woman sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that Delia sung was Look out Staggerlee

"Stagger Lee"
Musical details:

* Key: F (Bridge in G)
* Time signature: Cut time
* Chords used: F, C, B-flat, A A-flat, G7, A7, Em, D, G,
* Songbook availability:
o Anthology, vol. II

Recorded on

* Shakedown Street

First performance: August 30, 1978, at Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Morrison, Colorado. "Stagger Lee" appeared in the first set, between "Mama Tried" and "Looks Like Rain." The show also featured the first "I Need A Miracle" and "If I Had the World to Give." The song has had a fairly consistent place in the repertoire over the years, disappearing now and then for extended periods.

In Robert Hunter's Box of Rain, the lyric is entitled "Delia Delyon and Staggerlee."
Stagger Lee
There are a number of tunes entitled "Stagger Lee" which have been recorded over the years. They all derive from a series of tales and songs in African- American folklore.

See Tony Kullen's essay, available at Alex Allan's site: Stagger Lee: A Historical Look at the Urban Legend for a detailed look at the topic.

One serious attempt to ascertain the possible historical existence of Stacker Lee was made, in an article by Richard E. Buehler, "Stacker Lee: a Partial Investigation into the Historicity of a Negro Murder Ballad," published in the Keystone Folklore Quarterly in the Fall, 1967 issue (pp. 187-191.) Buehler identifies a Stacker Lee who was a Confederate officer and subsequently an upstanding member of the community, and who is unlikely to have been the model for the badman of legend. And while Buehler suggests several lines for further research, no one seems to have taken up the task--notably the possibility that the key to the historicity of the ballad may lie in the name "Billy Lyons," rather than in Stacker Lee. This historical Stacker Lee unearthed by Buehler was the member of the Lee family of steamboat owners, and he points out that

"Many of the Lee Line boats were named for members of the Lee family, and one of them was the Stacker Lee (hence the name of Miss Ferber's showboat [immortalized in her book, Show Boat]). This boat was commissioned in 1906 and went down in 1916." (p. 188)

Blair Jackson, in his magazine "Golden Road" said this about "Stagger Lee":

""Stagger Lee," who pops on the Shakedown album is a fabled character who some suggest dates back to the Civil War. Variously called "Stag-O-Lee," "Stack-O-Lee," and other names, the song is about a scoundrel who killed Billy Lyons because he stole Stag's Stetson hat. Stag-O-Lee was upset about the death, though--because he failed to shoot Billy right between the eyes. Songwriters over the years have elaborated on the story, bringing in the bad man's deals with the devil, etc. It's been recorded often, by everyone from Mississippi John Hurt (his 1928 version is one of the first on record) to Professor Longhair and Doc and Merle Watson."

The Digital Tradition folk song database has two versions of the song.

Here's a partial list of other "Stagger Lee"'s, in alphabetical order by performer:

* Archibald: Imperial X5358.
* Bechet, Sidney: "Old Stack O'Lee Blues" on The best of Sidney Bechet (Blue Note, CDP 7243 8 28891 2 0, 1994)
* Bookbinder, Roy: "Stack O Lee" on Ragtime millionaire (Yellow Bee Productions, 5BG-2023, 1977)
* Brozman, Bob: "Stack o Lee Aloha" on A truckload of blues (Rounder, CD 3119, 1992)
* Calloway, Cab: "Stack O' Lee Blues" on Cab Calloway and His Orchestra, 1931-1932 (Classics 526, 1990)
* Clayton, Paul: Bloody Ballads. Riverside RLP 12-615.
* Dodds, Johnny: "Stack O'Lee Blues" on side B of "Melancholy" (Decca, 1676, 1938)
* Domino, Fats: "Stack & Billy" on Let's play (Imperial, LP-9065, 196?)
* Dylan, Bob: "Stack a Lee" on World gone wrong (Columbia, CK 57590, 1993)
* Edwards, Cliff: "Stack O' Lee, Part 1" and "Stack O' Lee, Part 2" (ca. 1924) on I'm a bear in a lady's boudoir (Yazoo, L-1047, 1975)
* English, Logan: Riverside 12-643.
* Fuller, Jesse: "Stagolee" on Jazz, Folk Songs, Spirituals and Blues (Original Blues Classics, 2530 564 2, 1958)
* The Green Mountain Boys: "Stagolee" on The Green Mountain Boys (Green Mountain Records, GMS 1053, 197?)
* Guthrie, Woody: "Stagolee" on Bound For Glory (Smithsonian/Folkways Records, 02481, 1992, originally recorded 1956)
* Houston, Cisco: "Stagolee" on Hard traveling (Folkways, FA 2042, 1954)
* Hull, Papa Harvey, Long "Cleve" Reed, and the Down Home Boys: "Original Stack O'Lee Blues" (ca. 1927) on The Songster tradition: complete recorded works in chronological order (1927-1935) (Document Records, DOCD-5045, 1991)
* Hurt, Mississippi John: "Stack O' Lee Blues" on 1928 sessions (Yazoo, 1065, 1990)
* Hutchinson, Frank: on American Folk Music, vol. 1: Ballads. (Folkways, FP 251, 1927)
* Johnson, Tex: "Stack o Lee" on Gunfighter ballads (Promenade, 2239, 1961)
* Lester, Julius: "Stagolee" on Julius Lester accompanying himself on the guitar (Vanguard, VRS-9199, 1965)
* Lewis, Furry: "Billy Lyons and Stack O'Lee" on Furry Lewis (1927-1929): complete recorded works in chronological order (Document Records, DOCD-5004, 1990) Recording also includes "Kassie Jones part 1 and 2.
* Lomax, Alan (compiler): "Stackerlee," by an unknown performer on Negro prison songs from the Mississippi State Penitentiary (Tradition, TLP 1020, 195?) "Recorded by Alan Lomax in 1947 at the Mississippi State Penitentiary at Parchman, Mississippi"
* Lomax, Alan: Listen to Our Story. BR-1024.
* McCurdy, Ed: Elektra 108.
* Memphis Slim: "Stack Alee" on Broken soul blues (United Artists, UAL3137, 1961)
* New Lost City Ramblers: "Stackerlee" on The New Lost City Ramblers (Folkways Records, FA 2399, 1962)
* Noble, Ray: "Stack O' Lee" (ca. 1935) on Ray Noble and his American Dance Orchestra (Jazz Archives, JA-22, 1975)
* Paley, Tom: "Stackerlee" on Old Tom Moore and more (Global Village, C 309, 1991)
* Price, Lloyd: "Stagger Lee" by Harold Logan and Lloyd Price (based on traditional material) (1958)
* Rainey, Ma: "Stack O'Lee Blues" on Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, and onThe complete Madam Gertrude "Ma" Rainey mastertakes' collection, 1923/28 (King Jazz, KJ-182 FS, 1994)
* Senter, Boyd: "Original Stack O'Lee Blues" on Solos and Senterpedes: 1927-1928 (Harlequin, HQ 2044, 1986)
* Sol Hoopii's Novelty Trio: "Stack O'Lee Blues" on B side of "Farewell Blues" (Columbia, 797-D, 1926)
* Stuart, Alice: "Stackerlee" on All the good times (Arhoolie, F 4002, 1964)
* Travis, Merle: "Stack O'Lee" on Rough, Rowdy and Blue CMH, CMH-C-6262, 1986)
* Turner, Titus: "Return of Stagolee" (King, 45-5186, 1957?)
* The Washingtonians (a pseudonym for Duke Ellington and his Orchestra): "Stack O'Lee Blues" on b side of "Red head blues" (Velvet Tone, 1601-V, 1927)
* Watson, Doc: "Stack O'Lee" on Ballads from Deep Gap (Vanguard, VMD-6576, 1988)
* Wheeler, Mary (compiler): "Stacker Lee" (Bertha Wenzel, Singer; Bill Small, guitar) on Folk songs of the river (Century Custom Recording Service, 20074, ca. 1982)

Mary Wheeler's collected version of the tune is included in her collection of songs Roustabout Songs: a Collection of Ohio River Valley Songs:
Stacker Lee is lookin' fo' de bully, de bully caint be foun',
Now we gonna walk dis levee roun', roun', Gonna walk dis levee roun',
I'm lookin' fo' de bully of dis town!
I'm lookin' fo' de bully, de bully mus' be foun'!
I'm lookin' fo' de bully boys, to lay de body down,
I'm lookin' fo' de bully of dis town!

lucky dice
Dice references are plentiful in Grateful Dead lyrics, being part of the overall gambling motif.

* "Roll those laughin' bones"--"Candyman"
* "They say that Cain caught Abel rolling loaded dice"--Halfstep Mississippi Uptown Toodeloo"
* "Ratcat alley roll them bones"--"Throwing Stones"
* "Commissars and pinstripe bosses roll the dice"--"Throwing Stones"

Stetson hat
The archetypal western hat. Patrick Bousquet's article, "The Hat of the West: John B. and his Stetson," tells the history of the hat, and of its creator, John B. Stetson. Stetson was born in 1830 to a "master hatmaker, Stephen Stetson, of Orange, New Jersey." He invented what is now thought of as the classic Stetson about 1850, "...a large hat with a broad brim for protection from the sun and rain, and it had a high crown." (p. 19) When he went into production with this hat, he christened it "Boss of the Plains."

Botkin has this story:

"The Magic Hat

You see, it happened like this: Stack was crazy about Stetson hats; specially them great big five gallon hats with dimples in the crown. And he had a whole row of em hangin on pegs and you could look at em along the wall of his rickety shanty on Market Street in St. Louis, where he lived with his woman, Stack o' Dollars, that I'm goin to tell you about later.

He had a dimpled and lemon colored yaller hat, and a black Sunday one with two white eyes to wear to funerals with his new brogans, and lots of other ones, all kinds and colors.

But his favorite one was an oxblood magic hat that folks claim he made from the raw hide of a man-eatin panther that the devil had skinned alive. And like I told you, how come Stack to have it was because he had sold his soul to old Scratch. You see, Satan heard about Stack's weakness, so he met him that dark night and took him into the grave yahd where he coaxed him into tradin his soul, promisin him he could do all kinds of magic and devilish things long as he wore that oxblood Stetson and didn't let it get away from him. And that's the way the devil fixed it so when Stack did lose it he would lose his head, and kill a good citizen, and run right smack into his doom." (p. 123)

gin fizz
Blend:
5 oz gin
5 heaping teaspoons sugar
juice of a lemon
one egg
one tablespoon Cointreau
one teaspoon orange rind or one teaspoon orange flower water
Add 4 ice cubes--mix till they're gone
Add equal amount of milk and mix.
Serve in chilled glasses.

Recipe courtesy Roger Felton.
Nearer, My God, To Thee
The title of an old hymn (1859) by Sarah Adams and Lowell Mason, Famously played by the ship's band on the Titanic as the boat sank.

Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer to Thee!
E'en tho' it be a cross
That raiseth me;
Still all my song shall be---
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer to Thee!

Tho' like the wanderer,
The sun goes down,
Darkness be over me,
My rest a stone;
Yet in my dreams
I'd be Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer to Thee!

There let my way appear,
Steps unto heaven;
All that Thou sendest me,
In mercy given;
Angels to beckon me
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer to Thee!

Then with my waking thoughts,
Bright with thy praise,
Out of my stony griefs,
Bethel I'll raise;
So by my woes[?] to be,
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer to Thee!

And if on joyful wing,
Cleaving the sky,
Sun, moon, and stars forgot,
Upward I fly;
Still all my song shall be---
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer to Thee!

First posted: 1996
Last revised: April 11, 2007


This post was modified by gallese antico on 2009-12-01 04:35:45

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Poster: Stealz Date: Nov 30, 2009 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stagger Lee: The True Story

I know I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm but if you're not going to link to David Dodd's work you should at least credit him.

http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/stagger.html

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Poster: gallese antico Date: Nov 30, 2009 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stagger Lee: The True Story

the credit are there plus.... see

http://www.archive.org/details/OldiesButGoodies-Cd.14

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Dec 1, 2009 1:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stagger Lee: The True Story

Try this version of Stack O Lee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGti6YcjSc&;feature=PlayList&p=89CA5495D20C6517&index=6

Maybe this is what became of poor Delia D...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i04FW_IOmxw&;feature=PlayList&p=89CA5495D20C6517&index=5

By Delia's assassin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNPhD8Su1M&;feature=fvw

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 30, 2009 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stagger Lee: The True Story

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1opxAicHAg&;feature=related

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Poster: gallese antico Date: Nov 30, 2009 9:22pm
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Pig really liked this one BBB >

http://www.archive.org/details/OldiesButGoodies-Cd.09

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Nov 30, 2009 10:38pm
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Or you guys could read a book.
I bought this a few years back and it's a really good read - http://aalbc.com/reviews/stagolee_shot_billy.htm

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 1, 2009 5:17am
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Hey Miss D! I am glad you missed the whole Dan Healy critique of our interactions hereabouts (well, my side of it that is); if you did happen to see it, hope it wasn't really an issue...

On a serious note, if you have happened to sample those 9-19-70 disks of late, let me know if you detect ANYTHING amiss with any of the CDs (esp if you have played them a few times, and in different players)...I have had a few burned disks turn up "twitchy" on some CD players of late, and would very much like to know if you notice anything ("skipping" or worse--"disk error" kinds of events).

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Dec 1, 2009 5:44am
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Nope, looks like I missed all the 'fun'....

Nothing wrong with the copies you sent me, they seem to be fine in my NAD CD player and my PC CD drive.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:18am
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Always good to hear; thanks for the feedback. And, it was only a comment on my "friendly" posts with you and the ever-increasing # of gals hereabouts lately but Rob and others rose to my defense and it only left me worried, a bit, that I might sometimes come off as creepy when I liked to think it was only pathetically obsequious in tone...

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:27am
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It's not creepy at all, dear boy.
xx

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:33am
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creepy is the understatement of the year

;)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:40am
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I'll be creepy with you anytime, anyplace...well, maybe. Okay, only if you bring a sheep.

There, is that better? I make no distinctions on the basis of race, creed, or IQ.

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Poster: gallese antico Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:48am
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Tell, win any coin last night or do you need a new blanket ?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:51am
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Jeezzz, Rob brought the whole flock--er--Family!

Damn, wait'll Dire sees this...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:55am
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Yep, they're all lined up for some help over that fence. Christmas comes early in the UK.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:31am
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Christmas comes but once a year.



Poor old Christmas.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:01am
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Too bad those sheep shall be getting more than coal in their stockings this year.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:56am
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well, you know Rob's motto has always been "better to come early than to not come at all!"

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:28am
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Vidi vici veni, as Julius Caesar almost said.

I saw. I conquered. I came.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:42am
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Or as our good friend Winnie put it, with regard to his unhappiness with the advisor that (rightly) shit canned his Gallipoli misadventure after visiting the spit:

"He came, he saw, he capitulated"

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:05am
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I just found this pic of SDH hoping for some help over a fence...


It%27s%2Bthe%2Bweekend.jpg

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:10am
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Is the hat too much? I like the way it sets off my eyes.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Dec 1, 2009 10:14am
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Heh, I walked past that exact pub this morning on my way to work. It's about 15 minutes from my house.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 1, 2009 10:55am
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Are you really serious?!

(I knew SDH was playing Healy! This explains EVERYTHING! Finding out HE's creeping up on you in Wales! Trying to deflect to me...damn him and his evil gen-E-us!)

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Dec 1, 2009 10:32pm
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Yeah I'm serious.
That photo was taken on the corner of Wood Street and St Mary Street, outside O'Briens Pub.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 2, 2009 4:52am
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That's really funny! Amazing.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:26am
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praise the lord the camera angle was not taken from a different angle!!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:57am
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You know how SDH likes to be taken from just the right angle.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 1, 2009 9:10am
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But how do YOU know?


(are we going to see another flurry of "dark hollow" references?)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 9:07am
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LMAO!!!!


nice one :)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:53am
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Are you accusing me of free-balling? Who do you think I am? Brittney Spears?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 8:57am
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MY EYES!!!! MY EYES!!!!!

(scratch, gouge, gouge, tear)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 1, 2009 9:03am
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Aha! You looked! And here I was thinking you were only interested in those who can lactate on command.

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Poster: gallese antico Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:05am
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rob's never early.... I think he had a real bad nightmare this morning > http://www.archive.org/details/StaggerLee

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 6:55am
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freakin' cool photo, huh??!!!!

Now, if they could only do that with cows ;)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:34am
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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 1, 2009 7:54am
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LOL!!!!

excellent!!!

:)

that little moomoo is going right on my list to Santa :)

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Dec 1, 2009 3:33am
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Thanks Miss Divine, a fellow Gram Parsons fan! I used to work in a book store and have read the book you mentioned. I love to hear about the stories behind songs, and how they came to be. This song,which has many titles, Stagger Lee, Stack-O-Lee, ect, has been the inspiration for many songs based loosely on the story from the early 20th Century all the way to The Coasters "Big Boy Pete", Jim Croce's "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown" and up to Hunter/Garcia's "Stagger Lee". A recommended book for sure for folks interested in how stories and facts changed through songs. Unfortunately "Billy D'Lyons" brought a knife to a gun fight and lost.

The beauty of art, and artistic freedom make this an endlessly fascinating story to tell, change, or make up your own story about. It reminds me of another old song that was endlessly re-written, the story of Frankie & Johnny!

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Poster: gallese antico Date: Dec 1, 2009 4:08am
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Thanks for showing up this evening Missy. Something you may enjoy with your read. Remember Missy; you may be lost, but not forgot.... SWAGGGG

The Saints would like to deadicate this to you >

http://www.archive.org/details/OldiesButGoodies-Cd.08

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